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« Reply #11410 on: December 24, 2017, 05:23:09 pm »
Dobicete dobar compesatory pick.


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« Reply #11411 on: December 24, 2017, 06:13:17 pm »
Dobicete dobar compesatory pick.

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« Reply #11412 on: December 28, 2017, 07:29:05 pm »
GREEN BAY - Those who think Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson doesn’t know how to evaluate talent have it all wrong.

Thompson still is one of the shrewdest personnel evaluators in the NFL, even if his 2017 team was exposed for being too young and too thin to stay afloat while quarterback Aaron Rodgers recuperated from a broken collarbone.

The problem with Thompson isn’t that he’s a poor judge of talent, it’s that he has refused to accept that the NFL financial landscape has changed and that it is not as risky as it used to be to participate in free agency.
Salary-cap management has changed dramatically during the second half of the 10-year collective bargaining agreement signed in 2011. Thompson still is operating under the assumption that free agency can bankrupt you and compromise your ability to sign your very best players to second and third contracts.
Thompson’s philosophy has allowed him to pay big contracts to Rodgers, Clay Matthews, David Bakhtiari, Mike Daniels, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Nick Perry without compromising the future.

As long as they were winning the NFC North or qualifying as a wild card with Rodgers under center, the Packers had a chance to go all the way.
It was a solid way of doing business until the salary cap went up $17 million in 2006 and the risk of being stuck in cap purgatory due to one or two bad free agent decisions went away.
One even could excuse Thompson for being conservative early this decade when the cap went up only $3 million total from 2011 through 2013. But in ’14 it went from $123 million to $133 million. The next year it went up $10 million again. The next year, $12 million. And last year, $12 million again.

Estimates have the cap going up another $10 million this year to around $177 million.
The likelihood of being hamstrung due to a free-agent mistake or two is minimal. Only the teams who have taken the biggest risks face uncertainty with their salary cap; the rest can eat a bad contract and not even spit out a seed.
“This is not like it was when the cap was going up 2, 3, 4 million a year and people were always up against it,” said an agent who has signed numerous big-money, free-agent contracts in recent years and will negotiate some others this offseason. “It steadily moves up $10 million a year now.
“You can afford to make a mistake now.”
Teams are much shrewder now also. They structure free-agent contracts so that if the player bombs, they’re out from under the cap obligation in three or four years.
“That’s where guaranteed money comes into play,” the agent said. “When you’re negotiating a deal, you’re thinking three years only because the team is thinking, ‘How long before I can get out of this contract?’ That’s why the first thing you’re dealing with is length of contract.”

Thompson has built a solid team around Rodgers, but it’s very difficult finding impact players when you are picking 29th, 27th, 30th, 21st, 26th, 28th or 32nd in the draft, as has been the case starting in April and working back to right after the Packers won Super Bowl XLV.
His yearly refusal to take chances in free agency continually leaves the Packers short of talent and experience and results in them having to play undrafted rookies late in the year when injuries strike.
Thompson has made the argument that he’d prefer to sink money into the players he drafted, but there’s evidence now that you can both sign your own and sign others. And if you trust your personnel staff to evaluate mercurial 22-year-olds, why wouldn’t you trust them to evaluate players who have been in the NFL four or more years?
The Packers got burned with unrestricted free-agent tight end Martellus Bennett this past offseason and haven’t gotten much out of street free agent Lance Kendricks. But unrestricted free-agent guard Jahri Evans has been a solid starter and street free agents Ahmad Brooks and Quinton Dial have contributed enough to be worth their modest salaries.

Even if the Packers can’t get Bennett’s $4.2 million pro-rated signing bonus off their cap next year through a grievance they have filed, it’s not going to kill their salary cap.
According to a source with access to NFL Players Association salary-cap data, the Packers have 39 players under contract for 2018 at a cost of $145 million. They will carry over $10 million in leftover cap space from 2017 and thus will have an adjusted cap number of around $187 million.
It means that they’ll go into the offseason with about $42 million in salary-cap room.
Yes, they must make Rodgers the highest-paid player in the NFL again, but if they want, the Packers can make his salary-cap number go down if they structure it a certain way. They might have to devote $17 million or so to the cap if they have to use the franchise tag on receiver Davante Adams, but they eventually will sign him to a long-term deal that will spread the cap obligation out over multiple years.
They have other free agents such as center Corey Linsley, tight end Richard Rodgers, safety Morgan Burnett and cornerback Davon House they might want to sign, but none should require blockbuster deals.

The bottom line is that they can afford to sign free agents to bolster their talent level.
When asked about his team’s use of free agency earlier this year, Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said adding veterans helped increase competition up and down the roster. The Steelers are known as a draft-and-develop team, but they supplement their ranks when they feel it is necessary.
This past offseason, they signed wide receiver Justin Hunter, cornerback Coty Sensabaugh and end Tyson Alualu and then gave former Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden a three-year, $27 million deal in August after Cleveland released him.
All four of those players are playing contributing roles for the AFC North champions.
“I think more than anything, that's what it's about for us, to create an environment that's competitive,” Tomlin said in a conference call before his team played the Packers. “I think that brings the best out of everybody and I think largely, usually that comes in the form of someone that's played a little football.”
If you look at the list of free-agent signings from the 2017 offseason there are more than a dozen that have been well worth the money, including 10 in which the player’s yearly average is $8 million or more.

Ask Jacksonville if end Calais Campbell ($12 million) and cornerback A.J. Bouye ($8 million) have made a difference. Ask New England if cornerback Stephon Gilmore ($13 million) has made a difference. Ask Minnesota if tackle Riley Reiff ($11.75 million) or the Los Angeles Rams if tackle Andrew Whitworth ($11.25 million) have made a difference. Ask Baltimore if safety Tony Jefferson ($9 million) has made a difference.
All of them will say yes.
There have been some free-agent duds, but that’s part of the same risk you take when you select a 22-year-old kid in the draft.
This offseason the cornerback free-agent class is going to be pretty good. Wide receiver is strong, too. A lot will depend on how many players re-sign before they reach free agency.
Thompson can’t sulk because the Bennett deal didn’t work out. He has a team that is desperate for more talent and needs to stop sitting on its hands in free agency if it wants to do more than ride Rodgers’ coattails.

The risk isn’t as great as it used to be.

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Re: Frozen Tundra!!!
« Reply #11413 on: December 28, 2017, 07:45:51 pm »
Što volim ove cherry picking primere... Timovi svake godine potpišu bar 100 FA, možda i 200 i onda neko piše tekst i navede 3-4 uspešna potpisa za celu ligu. :palm:

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« Reply #11414 on: December 28, 2017, 11:19:18 pm »
Ma da meni ovo stvarno, onako, konstrukcija svih detalja da dokažeš premisu koju si postavio na početku...
Inače iako mislim da ne bi bilo loše da se TT povuče (on ima ugovor koji traje do kraja drafta 2019. ) . Ja sam se nadao da će Dorsey posle pedale iz KC da sačeka, ali CLE je bila mnogo "komotnija" opcija ua njega.
Ne znam da li se ovi mlađi ispod TT nadaju da zauzmu njegovo mesto...
Mislim da će na kraju samo Capers da padne...
 

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« Reply #11415 on: December 29, 2017, 12:18:13 am »
Ja sam mislio da ugovor za TT ističe sad nakon drafta 2018?

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« Reply #11416 on: December 29, 2017, 09:43:38 am »
Ja što sam čuo to je nakon drafta 2019 tj. da ima još jednu sezonu plus draft...
 

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Re: Frozen Tundra!!!
« Reply #11417 on: December 30, 2017, 12:18:27 am »
Davante Adams 4g 58m...
 

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« Reply #11418 on: December 30, 2017, 01:07:20 am »
Samo da prestanu da ga gađaju u glavu i biće sve OK.

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« Reply #11419 on: December 30, 2017, 10:58:15 am »
Mora da su stavili neke klauzule u ugovor...

 

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Re: Frozen Tundra!!!
« Reply #11420 on: December 30, 2017, 05:23:32 pm »
Potpisan i Corey Linsley.
Sad neka ode stari prdonja. :A

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« Reply #11421 on: December 30, 2017, 07:04:15 pm »
Oće zabole ga...

 

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« Reply #11422 on: December 31, 2017, 09:30:20 am »
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« Reply #11424 on: December 31, 2017, 02:18:41 pm »
:jupi:

Od superbola, od 2011., odbrana ni jedan jedini put nije bila u top 10, a imao je gomilu fantasticnih igraca.
Srecan mu put ili penzija, sta god odluci da radi.
Zadovoljan sam ovim prvim potezom u, nadam se, ozbiljnim promenama.
SUS, lep kraj ove godine.  :cheer:

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Re: Frozen Tundra!!!
« Reply #11425 on: December 31, 2017, 02:54:05 pm »
Bit ce valjda par trenera koje ce da otpuste, a da su bili dobri DC. Naci cete nesto, valjda.

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« Reply #11426 on: December 31, 2017, 07:10:19 pm »
Evo i int...
 

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« Reply #11427 on: December 31, 2017, 07:23:47 pm »
 

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« Reply #11428 on: December 31, 2017, 07:28:29 pm »
Ovde se ne zna koga vise zabole za tekmu...
 

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« Reply #11429 on: December 31, 2017, 07:46:23 pm »
Ovde se ne zna koga vise zabole za tekmu...

Govoriš o njima ili o nama? Ili o svima? :D

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« Reply #11430 on: December 31, 2017, 07:55:54 pm »
Otprilike...
 

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« Reply #11431 on: December 31, 2017, 08:16:15 pm »
Kakav raspad...Nema potrebe muciti se vise....
 

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« Reply #11432 on: December 31, 2017, 08:44:31 pm »
Naša liga pametnija. U ovakvim situacijama meč se i ne igra. :P

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« Reply #11434 on: January 01, 2018, 10:43:15 pm »
Da, konačno je dobio nogu. ;)
Uz njega za sad su otpušteni Scott McCurley (ILB) i Mike Trgovac (DL) - moram promijeniti avatar :A
Baš me zanima što će biti s napadom jer i on je bio katastrofa. :hm:

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« Reply #11435 on: January 02, 2018, 12:51:07 am »
Otpusten i TT

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« Reply #11436 on: January 02, 2018, 01:34:45 am »
Otpusten i TT

Gago, može li jedna analiza prethodne sezone Cowboysa?

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« Reply #11437 on: January 02, 2018, 01:42:00 am »
Jok,kada sam pisao o nama u onom opsirnom postu,napisao sam sta nas ceka u buducnosti,tako da ovo je potpuno ocekivano

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« Reply #11438 on: January 02, 2018, 01:45:14 am »
Videćemo da li je zaista otpušten. Odavno kruži priča da bi mogao da se skloni u stranu i bavi se samo koledž skautingom. Ipak je njemu Green Bay druga kuća, tu ga je doveo Ron Wolf početkom devedesetih i tu je sve vreme osim kratkog izleta u Sijetl.

Sada još samo da vidimo da li i McCarthy ide ili je komplet čistka.

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« Reply #11439 on: January 02, 2018, 10:39:54 pm »
On January 1st, 2018, the Green Bay Packers executed their biggest change in over a decade as it was revealed that Ted Thompson will transition out of the general manager job and into a new role within the team’s front office. With the Green Bay Packers’ search for a new general manager getting underway shortly, there will be numerous reports and rumors over the next few days.

Here’s a look at a few of the internal candidates for the vacant GM job, and keep it here with news on these individuals and any other rumors about the Packers’ job that are reported.

The internal candidates
Eliot Wolf
The son of Hall of Fame GM Ron Wolf, Eliot has worked his way up through the organization and has interviewed for multiple GM jobs around the league in recent years. He is viewed as having an excellent eye for scouting and talent evaluation, and currently holds the title of Director—Football Operations.

Brian Gutekunst
Viewed as one of the front-runners for the 49ers’ GM job last offseason before he pulled out of the race, Gutekunst came up through the Packers’ scouting department and was the director of college scouting for four years. He was promoted two years ago to director of player personnel, and appears to be highly regarded around the NFL.

Russ Ball
As the Packers’ “cap guru”, little is known about Ball publicly as he maintains a quiet role out of the spotlight. However, few individuals have more of an impact on contract structure and overall salary cap management than Ball, who began his job as VP of football administration/player finance in 2008. Ball held a similar position with the New Orleans Saints prior to coming to Green Bay.

Alonzo Highsmith
Another longtime Packers executive, Highsmith has been a scout with the team since 1999. Currently listed as Senior Personnel Executive, his contributions to college and pro scouting departments are numerous and he could be a dark horse candidate for the job.

External Candidates
John Schneider
The Seahawks’ GM is a De Pere, Wisconsin native and came up within the Packers’ organization. He reportedly had an “out clause” in his previous contract that would have allowed him to leave Seattle to take the Packers’ GM job, though that is not the case in his current contract. However, the Packers could try to lure him away from Seattle — but they would need to compensate the Seahawks, presumably with draft picks, to do so.


RUMORS AND REPORTS
(1/2, 8:00 AM CT) Brian Gutekunst is reportedly going to be under consideration for the Texans’ vacant GM job as well, reports Ian Rapoport. Former Texans GM Rick Smith is taking a leave of absence due to his wife’s cancer diagnosis.
(1/2, 9:15 AM CT) According to former beat writer Bob McGinn, the Packers’ board of directors instructed team president Mark Murphy to remove Ted Thompson as GM.
(1/2, 10:05 AM CT) Alonzo Highsmith is reportedly meeting with the Browns’ front office about a position on John Dorsey’s staff (per Aaron Nagler). Dorsey, a former Packers executive, was hired in December as the new GM in Cleveland.
(1/2, 10:25 AM CT) The Packers finally announced Ted Thompson’s change in job duties — he will officially hold the title of “senior advisor to football operations.” Click here for the full release, including quotes from president Mark Murphy.
(1/2, 2:45 PM CT) Per a report from Ryan Wood of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, Alonzo Highsmith is expected to leave the Packers for a job with the Cleveland Browns under John Dorsey

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« Reply #11440 on: January 03, 2018, 06:32:17 am »
Jedan kandidat manje: Alonzo Highsmith leaves Packers front office to become Browns’ VP of football operations.

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« Reply #11441 on: January 04, 2018, 12:07:09 pm »
 

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« Reply #11442 on: January 04, 2018, 01:49:12 pm »
I, na kraju, jel treba kriviti njega ili MM za napad? Ili obojicu?

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« Reply #11443 on: January 06, 2018, 10:39:38 am »

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« Reply #11444 on: January 06, 2018, 03:22:34 pm »

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